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Old 06-06-2013
haschu33 haschu33 is offline
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Thanks for your comments, folks, thats very helpful.

tomoy, I don't think focusing on catch/pull timing isn't doing much, but that while focusing on it it didn't show immediate results.

Originally Posted by Janos View Post
As an experiment, next time you go to the pool do lengths with the main focal point being recovery using your lat muscles not your shoulders, and let the catch just happen for now. You want to recover and roll the shoulder using your back muscles. Enter the water under control with no splashing and then extend. Kick as you near full extension and let your hip drive the leading arm to its full extension. You are moving faster through the water doing this, and consequently you are able to catch the elusive viscosity of the water more easily.
Great Janos, that is quite exactly what my focal points where and what I did!
Except for the usage of lats for recovery - I wouldn't know how to feel the difference and I am not so sure how that works anyway... The recovery should show Scapular retraction and then Scapular elevation, upward rotation, internal rotation, maybe circumduction, and probably some more. There is very little engagement of the lats in the recovery, isn't it? (quite opposite to the catch/pull). When I swim longer or faster the first muscles that get tired are my trapezoids (the superior part, that what you can feel from top between shoulder and neck) while trying to maintain a high elbow.

Originally Posted by andyinnorway View Post
i've found in the past that if I focus too much on catch then I start to lift my head as I want to look at what's going on, then my legs drop and my SPL goes up.
I am quite sure that I didn't lift my head.

Originally Posted by WFEGb View Post
think this is a pure neurological phenomenon. It happens unconsciously and may not directly be influenced by focus-work. The small pieces which have been imprinted by focusing have to fall together in their individual correct places. And just this may happen if you're just not focusing on them. (But it will never happen if you never imprinted them by focus-work in one ore the other way.)
Thats quite much what I wanted to say, Werner, you just put it in better words. I think without imprinting something useful for the catch/pull movement you cannot expect that something useful comes out of it.
How about a swim in the next days... with your camera :-)) ?

Thanks anyway, I had a short session in the pool today and maintained that focus and rhythm. It gave me SPLs of 37 to 43, which quite much correspond to my average 18 I had in the 25 m pool.

Hang on in there...
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