Originally Posted by terry
I definitely feel - and focus on - the pigeon-toed sensation prominently in BK and little, if at all, in FR.
Long ago you suggested that I shouldn't be too concerned over a non-propulsive kick - in time it would likely develop, and it wasn't a critical factor in the great scheme of things. My efforts to better balance, streamline and relax have helped a kick develop to some point. It was thrilling when the kick first worked and the pool bottom moved for an extended period! Now I'm anxious to try the suggestions you and the others have made here in backstroke. To kick UP or DOWN was always one of my questions too. (The 2BK is coming along but I have to learn how much/or little to kick as over/or under rotation is common for me.)