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Zenturtle 09-13-2018 02:35 AM

A kickdriven glidestroke
 
Looks a bit like TI, but is very kickdriven.
pretty stremlined also , but a little bit too much stop and go in the end as a continuous swimstroke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4K44BSwL2E *from 1 min 45
I like a more rounded shoulderrotation and some more continuous propulsion at the front, but TI lovers will like it I guess. The execution is good.

Tom65 09-13-2018 03:29 AM

Stop start swimming, he might as well be doing breast stroke.

Abdargush 09-13-2018 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenturtle (Post 66515)
Looks a bit like TI, but is very kickdriven.
pretty stremlined also , but a little bit too much stop and go ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4K44BSwL2E *from 1 min 45
I like a more rounded shoulderrotation and some more continuous propulsion at the front, but TI lovers will like it I guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom65 (Post 66516)
Stop start swimming, he might as well be doing breast stroke.

I am utterly amazed at how people dare commenting in such an offending way. It is obvious from your posts that you both do not understand a single word of what Mr. Aso explains in his video:

1. This swimmer is a former national team member.

2. Has swum in international competitions as a representative of the national team.

3. Was many times all Japan high school champion in long distance (1500 m if memory serves).

4. In his video, he CLEARLY says that "the goal is not to achieve the lowest stroke count when training DPS, but to swim as smooth as possible". In the beginning, he emphasizes to NOT pause, NOT as shown (NOT as he demonstrates). In the end of the video, he says to swim "as usual", only then DPS bears a meaning.

5. His technique is absolutely impressive and his way of teaching swimming should deserve praise.


It might be time to train for yourselves and comment on what YOU have achieved, rather than commenting on others. In doing so, there would certainly be less impression of arrogance and ignorance.

Zenturtle 09-13-2018 09:08 AM

Thanks for your explanation. Its true, i dont undetstand a word of what he says. Just saw the video and was amazed at the speed he achieved and thw skilfull and powerfull execution. It even motivated me to start experimenting with more kickdrive .

IngeA 09-13-2018 11:20 AM

I actually wonder if these posts really were from Tom65. I've never seen such answers like these from him.

CoachStuartMcDougal 09-13-2018 04:44 PM

Yeah seems odd.

His stroke is pretty amazing and demoing at several tempos. The last tempo 1.1 secs per stroke or 55spm, 12 strokes in 25m pool, hitting an easy 17 secs per length or roughly 1:08/100m pace. I once argued with success too, when I was like 20. This swimmer is certainly testimony to balance and streamline (and swimming smooth) priorities.

Tom and ZT: Given you seem critical of his stroke, what’s your easy 100m pace, 1:10, 1:20, 1:30? Abdarbush sets the record straight with this swimmer, national champion, and you might consider heeding advice he’s giving you.

Stu
MindBodyAndSWIM.com

Zenturtle 09-13-2018 09:51 PM

I thought I had given this guy some well deserved praise allready.
Sorry i dont read and speak Japanese.
I posted this swim because it was special, thats all.

Looking at it a few times in slowmotion, the timing is a bit different than what most do, swimming at the edge of front quadrant.
I wondered why he isnt bouncing. Bouncing often happens when kick and pull have their force peak at the same time and the pull is pushing much water down.
Here the kick pulse proceeds the longer arm push, so there is some overlap, but there is more a kick, rear comes up, and than long forward shove with emphasis on mid and endpush finishing the kickimpuls off.
This brings the body only a little up, since its tipped to the front already a moment before, and the direction of the force is mostly backward.
This all results in a relatively straight tracking body.
Only the preparation of the big downkick is a dragsource.

So, is this also the ideal TI timing?
Is this a tII swim model?

Mushroomfloat 09-14-2018 01:32 AM

I was doing exactly this recently

the kick is forward into the entry and extention

just like breaststroke

it is actually a crutch for his dropping hipsmto regain position

i realised this, although it does feel like your doing well in fact your only correcting body position.

my 2c worth.

Mushroomfloat 09-14-2018 01:33 AM

Look carefully

he is a sack

Mushroomfloat 09-14-2018 01:36 AM

All he is doing with that kick is putting his hips back at the surface.

dont understand what he is saying, nor do i wish to.

Is it a "dont do this" fault demo?


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