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totalswimmertuta 05-06-2016 06:47 AM

What is a good number of strokes per 25 yards
 
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I wear a Garmin VivoActive. During my swim, I count my strokes

I am trying to be efficient. I have read that folks can do 25yards in 13 strokes.

I have just started, and I can do about 18, and mostly 21 strokes in the 25 yards length

See attached for the data from garmin connect

whats a good SWOLF to have? trying to understand what the goal should be

Thanks,
Vikas.

pillsy 05-06-2016 03:36 PM

I use the same watch. It only counts strokes for one hand, so if it says 14 strokes you really took 28. Optimal SPL depends on height. There's a chart that gives you ranges in a "green zone" of where you want to be.

There's a guy who swims with us who will dive in and get to the other side in 11 strokes. That doesn't even make sense to me, lol.

Josefish 05-06-2016 04:16 PM

I suppose it depends on several factors such as height, anthropometry ( range of motion) the way of stroking, etc.

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lloyddinma 05-06-2016 11:06 PM

http://www.totalimmersion.net/blog/w...-stroke-count/

Matt Hudson also has a chart that includes stroke length.

CoachDavidShen 05-11-2016 02:09 PM

For a chart we put together on SPL vs. height for typical pool length distances, download this: http://www.totalimmersion.net/store/...l#.VzM7q2YuogU

We don't use SWOLF much. it mashes two metrics together which hinders your ability to really figure out what is wrong with your technique.

There are 4 metrics that are measurable and important: distance you swam, time to swim that distance, stroke rate/tempo during that distance, number of strokes you took. holding the distance constant is very easy if you're in a pool, so you're then left with 3 that you can manipulate. the hardest was tempo - without a tempo trainer (TT), it's pretty much impossible that you can maintain a certain tempo consistently. but we love the TT because now we can make that variable constant. once we can do that, we have a lot of accurate means to really dive into what are the problems in your stroke and where it breaks down.

here's a free TT guide: http://www.totalimmersion.net/store/...l#.VzM9E2YuogU

caronis 10-01-2016 10:46 PM

Stroke Count Starting Point
 
Hi TI Folks,
I just discovered this thread and it's valuable in giving me an idea of the ideal stroke count based on my height....16....
However, this is my question...
When I push off the wall, I undulate a while until I surface through buoyancy, then I begin my stroke count.
Isn't this an issue as to the ideal stroke count? When does everyone else begin the stroke count? It seems much more natural to push and glide from the wall before initiating any strokes...

Zenturtle 10-02-2016 07:17 AM

For a bginner, 18 is good enough.
You can already spend years perfecting the stroke at that 18 strokes number.

s.sciame 10-02-2016 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zenturtle (Post 60592)
For a bginner, 18 is good enough.

18 is good even for Paltrinieri (1.92m tall) when setting the 1500 SCM world record

CoachSuzanne 10-02-2016 04:53 PM

http://www.totalimmersion.net/store/...l#.V_E7dZMrKRs

caronis 10-07-2016 03:14 PM

I don't think my previous question was clear...
When I push off the wall I do 3-5 butterfly kicks before initiating my freestyle stroke...
Wouldn't this give me an artificially lower stroke count?
Perhaps I'm cutting down my stroke count by 2-3 strokes than it would be if I just pushed off the wall and began stroking immediately....
Perhaps I'm counting 16 strokes when in fact I'm actually achieving 19 stroke per lap efficiency...

Streak 10-07-2016 04:26 PM

I think most folks start the count after their normal push and glide which I find to be an important part of starting each length getting nice and stable before the first stroke.

What's more important is that this push and glide is consistent so that you will know if your count is going up or down for you.

Yes, if you have a longer glide you will take less strokes than if you have a shorter glide. There is nothing artificial about it it's just how each of us swim.

caronis 10-08-2016 12:41 AM

I think I have to agree with you on this...
I think I can push & glide using perhaps just one slow downbeat kick and then surface and begin stroking when the momentum slows to my approximate swim speed...
I also am thinking that using the underwater lane marker can give me the sense that I'm surfacing consistently in the same spot....that way at least I'm getting an apples to apples comparison every time I swim and do the SC...

CoachSuzanne 10-08-2016 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caronis (Post 60589)
Hi TI Folks,
I just discovered this thread and it's valuable in giving me an idea of the ideal stroke count based on my height....16....
However, this is my question...
When I push off the wall, I undulate a while until I surface through buoyancy, then I begin my stroke count.
Isn't this an issue as to the ideal stroke count? When does everyone else begin the stroke count? It seems much more natural to push and glide from the wall before initiating any strokes...

The "green zone" chart makes an assumption of about 4.5 seconds or 4-5m wall pushoff included in the stroke count. If your push-off takes longer, then your count will be lower.

Read mat Hudson's posts for more detail on determination ,but if you subtract your pushoff, and count strokes for the remaining distance, we like to see a range of 55-75% of your height for your stroke count. SPL is just the distance remaining divided by your stroke length.

We are in reality more concerned with stroke length as a percentage of your wingspan than absolute strokes per length.


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