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bx 12-16-2017 11:19 PM

Fly Foray
 
I started practising butterfly a few months ago and it's tremendously exciting!

Can't get my arms out of the water, but one day I will.
Doing it with breastroke arms is still great fun.

I manage to move a tremendous amount of water around, and out of, the pool. So I think I'm doing very well!

CoachBobM 12-17-2017 06:04 AM

Not being able to get your arms out of the water is usually caused by not pulsing up enough on your body dolphin.


Bob

IngeA 12-17-2017 07:24 PM

Often the cause is that you begin with the arm stroke too early.
Give the body the time to come up itself. The body wants to come up. Just before your had is breaking the surface begin with the arm stroke.
So you don't have to work your body out of the deep, you only need to assist the natural buoyancy.

Best regards
Inge

bx 12-18-2017 11:58 PM

Thanks Bob and Inge. Will try and report back when successful!

bx 04-12-2018 01:06 AM

Progress report: Can now get arms out of water and breathe. Much as in freestyle, the trick that worked for me was to engage glutes and stiffen the body during recovery so I'm more like a surfboard. Also actively engaging back muscles to help raise arms. Basic stuff, but nice to make a bit of progress.

CoachBobM 04-14-2018 06:28 AM

Congratulations! Keep us informed on your progress!


Bob

liolio 05-08-2018 03:53 PM

Congrats!
I also make progress an area I focus on lately is to keep the hips flexors (especially the rectus femoris) relaxed. It applies to all strokes when you kick but it is particularly relevant to fly.

bx 05-16-2018 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liolio (Post 65388)
Congrats!
I also make progress an area I focus on lately is to keep the hips flexors (especially the rectus femoris) relaxed. It applies to all strokes when you kick but it is particularly relevant to fly.

Thanks for the tip, liolio. I noticed I had too much hip bend after the dive, where I could easily see my feet low in the water, so I remembered your post and deliberately relaxed the hips, keeping the legs higher.

I only do 10-15mins of butterfly at the end of my swims.

bx 06-06-2018 12:50 AM

Coming along a bit better now. If I concentrate on breathing with mouth low to surface and neck as long and aligned with spine as possible, the less effort it takes. This is going to end up being my favourite stroke (in a few years)!

liolio 06-07-2018 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bx (Post 65675)
Coming along a bit better now. If I concentrate on breathing with mouth low to surface and neck as long and aligned with spine as possible, the less effort it takes. This is going to end up being my favourite stroke (in a few years)!

Indeed there is something attractive to it, a halo of some sort.
I'm not sure it will be my favorite stroke as I like moving efficiently and the extend to which butterfly can be made efficient seems limited to relatively high level of exertion.

I love dolphin kick and whole body undulation though the feeling is incredible after a good ^push at the wall.

Suddethb 06-17-2018 04:21 PM

BX, fly is my favorite too. I did Terry's Betterfly DVD a few years back and got hooked quickly. Last week New York Open Water (Dave Barra) joined with the Laughlin family to do a very emotional celebration swim at Terry's favorite spot, Lake Minnewaska. I drove up from MD to NY to join in. It was a nice 3/4 mile course, and the lake is very beautiful. The water was in the 67-70 range which is very chilly for me when I do fly as I get concerned about pulling a muscle in my shoulders. This time I needed to worry more about my legs which took the worst of it. I managed three course laps all butterfly, no wetsuit. I used some petrolium jelly and a rash guard shirt to reduce abrasion and help to keep a touch warmer. May you join me in a long fly swim sometime!

When you complete an event of a mile or more of all butterfly I'll add your name to my listing of OW fly swims done by folks in legal fly, no wetsuit. Welcome to the flyers club!

http://openwaterpedia.com/index.php?title=Brian_Suddeth
http://openwaterpedia.com/index.php?...utterfly_Swims

bx 06-18-2018 11:40 PM

Brian,

I didn't realise just how much of a fly specialist you were. These are incredible feats. I'm no open water swimmer, so won't be making your list any time soon. I can fly one length (25m) fairly comfortably. I've set myself a target of 100m :)

Happy flying!
Ant

bx 06-29-2018 04:17 PM

Well, Brian, I was in the sea yesterday, and did some short bouts of butterfly, perhaps 20 strokes at a time.
Amazingly, despite the rolling waves coming in to shore, I didn;t have to modify the arm recovery or breathing compared to my pool stroke.

liolio 08-04-2018 01:07 PM

I tried butterfly is the salted water and its benefits on buyoancy overweighted for me the slight swell.

Another things I tried is Jeremy Stravius (which looks like some others swimmers too) approach to butterfly and it is pretty nice, even though slightly it is less demandig to the more standard approach.
That video is pretty interesting as you see the aforementioned swimmer do both. He runs 200m butterfly with the first 150m in the "more underwater" butterfly and the last 50m using standard technique.

https://youtu.be/sEv7WRvTiQE


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