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tamark04 12-09-2011 03:20 PM

Janet Evans
 
One of my favorite swimmers ever. What makes her so fast ? Is it all amazing boyancy and propulsion ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71CN4yNMgtY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcln9...eature=related

andyinnorway 12-09-2011 06:31 PM

This has to be the most un TI elite stroke I've seen so far.

Just shows you there are many ways to get down the pool well.

found this clip of her on masters comeback. windmills, high head, smashing the water and then swims 800 in 8.59, is this for real?

swim2Bfree 12-09-2011 07:46 PM

For her body type, Janet's stroke technique is extremely efficient.

Here's the video of her 8:59 at a Masters meet in June:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRhpZdm9b3Q

drmike 12-09-2011 08:14 PM

Economical kicking
 
I think her 2BK was beautiful. Leaving and often approaching the wall her kick shifted to > 2 beats per cycle but beyond the walls she had great rhythm and kinetic linking from hips to toes - shown in underwater shots in second video starting, e.g., at 2:46 and 3:22. Current footage from a Masters competition shows that same smooth 2BK.

She still uses a windmill arm stroke, but her hands enter the water well-poised to catch water. Schubert and Joyner think that she has a real chance in the Olympic trials b/c physiologically she is freakishly strong. My shoulders couldn't survive that arm stroke, but she remains injury-free at 40 years old.

swim2Bfree 12-10-2011 04:58 AM

Someone - I forget who - has described this as "shoulder-driven" technique (as opposed to "hip-driven" technique).

Janet is an extreme example, but there are many who have employed this style successfully, in events ranging from the 50 Free to 67-mile marathon swims. It may not be for everyone, but it's not just for Janet Evans.

tamark04 12-10-2011 07:17 AM

[quote=swim2Bfree;24268]For her body type, Janet's stroke technique is
extremely efficient.

Thanks; sounds interesting. Can you go into some more detais ?

tamark04 12-10-2011 05:53 PM

shoulder driven technique
 
http://www.slowtwitch.com/Training/S...ique_1877.html

ob3517 12-10-2011 11:34 PM

Gary Hall, Sr technique
 
So according to Gary Hall Sr., unless you have a strong kick (6 beat) you should be using a shoulder driven technique like janet evans, especially for tri athletes who want to save their legs.

TI technique advocates a hip driven technique with a 2 beat kick. These view seem totally opposite?

CoachSuzanne 12-11-2011 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ob3517 (Post 24295)
So according to Gary Hall Sr., unless you have a strong kick (6 beat) you should be using a shoulder driven technique like janet evans, especially for tri athletes who want to save their legs.

TI technique advocates a hip driven technique with a 2 beat kick. These view seem totally opposite?

You can swim "hip driven" with 2 beat or 6 beat. If your kick is propulsive, and not in the way, 6 beat will be faster. The question is then how do you want to use your limited energy resources?

Suggesting however that a windmill style technique like janets is going to be better of you do NOT have 6 beat kick really doesn't make any sense....really, wht's the correlary? That if you choose to use a 2 beat kick you must swim windmill style?

Makes no sense. Hall, Sr, et al. do have a rational behind what they say, but it doesn't really hold water.

swim2Bfree 12-11-2011 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachSuzanne (Post 24305)
Suggesting however that a windmill style technique like janets is going to be better of you do NOT have 6 beat kick really doesn't make any sense....really, wht's the correlary? That if you choose to use a 2 beat kick you must swim windmill style?

You seem to be conflating "shoulder-driven technique" and "windmill style." They're not the same. "Windmill style" typically refers to straight-arm recovery, but that's not equivalent to shoulder-driven technique. Indeed, "windmill style" is quite possible with hip-driven technique. Janet's freestyle happens to be BOTH shoulder-driven and windmill style.

Notice Gary Hall's article does not once use the phrase "windmill style."

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachSuzanne (Post 24305)
Makes no sense. Hall, Sr, et al. do have a rational behind what they say, but it doesn't really hold water.

Why not, Coach? Please be specific.


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