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Suddethb 03-07-2010 11:30 PM

Welcome to 3-Mile FLY Land!
 
A HUGE BREAKTHROUGH THURSDAY! I swam OVER A MILE in relaxed butterfly (sets of 10 laps), and my heart rate wasn't over 120 when I checked it halfway through and again at the end! WOO HOO! I had planned to do 1-arm fly, but started in full, then kaizened out and had to stop only when I ran out of time! I was as energetic at the end as at the start! THANKS TERRY!

Today I finished 11 sets of 10 laps @ 50 yards each (+1) in relaxed Butterfly (avg 1:15 /lap)! Actually, that is over 3 miles. I did the extra to be able to claim a 5K. WOO HOO! The last lap I did racing fly to see that I still had plenty of gas left. Kept my heart rate about 120 start ...to finish! Mmmm MMMMM GOOD!

Terry's suggestions to me in the "4-Stroke Butterfly" thread were just what I needed to complete my transition.

I think I'm finally comfortable with the basics of what Terry has in the "Betterfly for Every Body" DVD. I did a push off at each end and glided without a dolphin for about 6-8 yards (not measured). When my buoyancy brought me to the surface I used the thought of lowering my hands to a point in the pool (anchored), then rose over them raising my torso so my head cleared the surface. I kept reminding myself to look downward (and forward) in a head neutral position rather than raising my head up and looking at the far end of the pool. I'm not quite as smooth as I'd like in "ride the wave," but seem to be very successful. I have a nice "whoosh" to my kick vortex as I head downward as I've looked down and back to see the rush of bubbles that my feet make. I do one more light dolphin in mid-stroke which has the lovely affect of looking like the flukes of a whale rising out of the water and then re-entering as I flick. Then it is back to a glide and rise. Terry had suggested I move up from 3-4 strokes per length in order to gain more oxygen, and on Thursday and this morning the average was 6 1/2 strokes per 25-yard length. At each 10 laps I paused to hydrate and then pushed off again. Soon I plan to try a mile without any stops and see how I do.

I had someone help with some video on Saturday, so I'll edit out the dull parts and will post some shots of the strokes soon.

Suddethb 03-13-2010 06:42 PM

That wan't a onezie!
 
Did a mile fly (Betterfly) last night in 44 min and another 5K this morning with the first mile completed in 40 min. Avg HR 120, avg lap 1:15, avg strokes 6.5. I did 2 5Ks in the same week! I'm just fine with that!

Suddethb 05-12-2010 02:51 AM

Moving Forward
 
I'm doing 50/50 during practice now. One 25 yd length free (avg 13 strokes at 28 sec.) and then one length fly (avg 7 strokes at 25 sec.) Keep it up for 2 miles (about an hour.) I had been doing 1 lap free (47), one length slow fly (38) and one length moderate fly (32), but I've been able to pick up the pace a bit. Last week I had one length when I went all out in fly, and felt like a rock skipped over a pond. I'm disappointed that I didn't time it, but it may have been my fastest length in any stroke. Swimming is counted as therapy both physically and mentally now, since the pressure at work is killing me. BTW, I work at the Census Bureau...

Ballroom dancing, swimming and tai chi are the ways I am using to stay alive...

CoachSuzanne 05-12-2010 03:09 AM

This is totally awesome! I want to see the video. Last week I swam 12 x 25 fly which is the most I've ever swum. I'd love to be able to do what you described. More practice...

CoachDave 05-12-2010 02:12 PM

Hmmmm
 
Sounds like we've got another Vicki Keith on our hands! Any aspirations of open water fly?

CoachDave 05-12-2010 02:17 PM

Keith
 
In case you hadn't heard of herThis is Vicki Keith

Grant 05-12-2010 04:17 PM

[quote=Suddethb;10558]I'm doing 50/50 during practice now. One 25 yd length free (avg 13 strokes at 28 sec.) and then one length fly (avg 7 strokes at 25 sec.) Keep it up for 2 miles (about an hour.) I had been doing 1 lap free (47), one length slow fly (38) and one length moderate fly (32), but I've been able to pick up the pace a bit.

Good for you. That is impressive.
I have been building up to racing the 200 Fly LCM. A couple of weeks ago I did 80 x25m of easy fly with about 10 sec rest. That is the most I have ever done.
Since then I have been doing 4x50 and 2x100 sets with just 5 seconds rest between 50's or 100's.
Have done some complete 200's and they are getting smoother and less of a blood bath. This has been a long journey to get this far and has been alot of fun.
One fallout is that my 50 sprint speed has fallen off as I have not been doing any higher turnover work. A change of priorities
Fly on folks.

Suddethb 08-17-2010 09:07 PM

Flying Along!
 
Coach Dave, you do me great honor and over estimate my abilities greatly when you put me into Vicki's league, but I do aspire in that direction! She is truly magnificent!

I've relaxed into doing 12 stroke fly per 25 yds at about 66 sec per 50 yd lap. When I decide to sprint, I'm topping out at 36 seconds for a lap so far and hoping to see that go lower as I improve. Doing a mile non-stop is no longer any effort at all, but a gentle warm up.

I put my new fly skills to the test during the first week of August when I went to Rodney Scout Reservation in North East, MD with my younger son. 5 years ago I'd never passed the swim test. 4 years ago (before TI) I passed "swimmer" for the first time in my life with a granny side stroke. 3 years ago (still before TI) I completed a mile swim, but it was with huge difficulty and pain. I missed camp the next year, but last year using TI skills I completed 2 freestyle miles and had time left that I could have done a third in the 2 hour time allowed. This year they went open water in the Chesapeake Bay for the mile, and I completed it in a relaxed fly and at the end I felt warmed up, loose and relaxed and ready to keep on for as long as they'd let me (even though I was covered in seaweed, had fish slaps on my chest and couldn't see more than about 6 inches in the green water.) It was the first open water swims at that camp in 20 years, and the first time they'd ever recorded any mile swim test done in Butterfly.

There aren't too many "fresh" fresh water swims near me, so my options are limited. I'm looking for some, and have offered to do the swim portion of a relay tri team with a friend of mine and his wife. I just hate to swim in water I'd hesitate to rinse my mouth with...

naj 04-07-2011 01:51 AM

I Want to do fly in OW!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachDave (Post 10564)
Sounds like we've got another Vicki Keith on our hands! Any aspirations of open water fly?

Coach Dave, as you may or may not know I am planning on attempting The Cook Strait in two years time. Although more than 70 people have crossed it and there has been one double crossing (by Phillip Rush), to my knowledge, there have been no attempts to do the whole swim fly. I have been pondering this for awhile now and believe that with a TI fly technique I might be able to accomplish this. If I don't do fly solo, I also have a thought of doing all four strokes for four miles each. A kind of marathon swimming medley.

What do others think? Am I nuts?

Rupertdacat 04-07-2011 03:44 AM

Ask me no question and I'll tell you no lie...
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by naj (Post 18787)
What do others think? Am I nuts?

Most certainly...

; )

Rupe

terry 04-07-2011 09:54 AM

I'll take the Mile of Fly Challenge
 
The revival of this thread has me inspired. I'll take the Mile of Fly challenge. However this will need to wait until the first week of May. In the next 3 weeks I'm swimming the Colonies Zone and USMS Championships and all my focus will remain on those. However I'll swim a 1650 Fly as soon as I'm past those - just to see. I can't wait.

Suddethb 04-08-2011 12:07 AM

Three Mile Fly Challenge
 
Actually Terry, your DVD lead me to doing several miles of fly every week! My challenge to anyone here is to make it to THREE miles of fly and higher! I'm preping for the Chesapeake Bay Swim, but the 4.6 was full, so I'm planning the mile in fly, but I have to get my time under 40 minutes to be official. I've done it once, but my average is now at 43-45. I have a way to go. It's hard to relax and save energy when focused on meeting a time goal. I'm working on it.

terry 04-08-2011 12:28 AM

I respect anyone who has an ambition to swim a really long distance in Fly. My purpose in swimming the mile would be to make my 200 Fly stroke stronger. I'm not certain this will be the outcome, but think it's worth doing the experiment. Plus I'm kind of curious what kind of time I'll do for 1650 since that's a distance I've raced many times in Free.

I don't think I'll aim to go longer though since I anticipate whatever benefit may be available for my 200 Fly by swimming a mile would not increase - and possibly slacken somewhat - by going longer.

AWP 04-08-2011 01:09 AM

I can't let you guys fly alone. I'm in, for a mile to start (yikes!), likewise I doubt for my interests now that any more would be a benefit but I am intrigued as to whether or not I can.
I'll build my attention to it as I make a slight shift towards narrowing my focus in the next few weeks to the open seas as Spring so painfully tries to appear and the pull towards open water increases.

naj 04-08-2011 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AWP (Post 18815)
I can't let you guys fly alone. I'm in, for a mile to start (yikes!), likewise I doubt for my interests now that any more would be a benefit but I am intrigued as to whether or not I can.
I'll build my attention to it as I make a slight shift towards narrowing my focus in the next few weeks to the open seas as Spring so painfully tries to appear and the pull towards open water increases.

Go AWP Go! Come out to S.F. and I'll join ya!

Richardsk 04-08-2011 04:16 PM

Gentlemen, when I can manage 50m fly long course, I'll start training to join you. I don't think that will be very soon.

CoachDave 04-19-2011 07:26 PM

huh?
 
Cook Strait Butterfly? Yep. That's nuts. But I swam out to the ice to raise a chunk over my head last week, so I've got no problem with it.

Open water butterfly can be easier in calm conditions (if salty) but a lot tougher in irregular chop. The Cook can be quite irregular, so I'd say try out a shorter swim in similar conditions before you throw that one out there- Cook is a mean, mean swim that can have you back at the starting point hours into it with the wrong current. If you can find the right rhythm in it, go for it!

Suddethb 10-15-2013 10:19 PM

Fly In Openwater
 
From Naj - "Coach Dave, as you may or may not know I am planning on attempting The Cook Strait in two years time. Although more than 70 people have crossed it and there has been one double crossing (by Phillip Rush), to my knowledge, there have been no attempts to do the whole swim fly. I have been pondering this for awhile now and believe that with a TI fly technique I might be able to accomplish this. If I don't do fly solo, I also have a thought of doing all four strokes for four miles each. A kind of marathon swimming medley. What do others think? Am I nuts? "

Naj, what have you done about this dream? I haven't seen it posted in Openwaterpedia yet. I did an article for the Daily News of Openwater Swimming doing calculations based on the recorded OW butterfly times I could find in OWP, and didn't see your swim listed. How far have you gone? Have you done any OW butterfly swims on record that we can add to OWP yet?

http://dailynews.openwaterswimming.c...pen-water.html

Suddethb 06-20-2016 01:23 AM

Anyone who makes over a mile using ONLY fly in a verifiable open water event, no wetsuits, dolphin kicks only, (FINA legal), contact me at Brian@Suddeth.com to get on the list. Please provide a link that documents your swim (event, news story, etc.)
http://openwaterpedia.com/index.php?...utterfly_Swims

In open water events, I'm still stuck at 1 mile, and have multiple 5Ks in the pool, but I'm hoping to do a fly 2 mile or 5K in open water this year, in between guiding two blind swimmers in their own events.
http://openwaterpedia.com/index.php?title=Brian_Suddeth


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