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johynr]]] 01-26-2013 12:05 PM

Garmin or Swimovate or something else?
 
Sorry if this has been done before, but does anybody have any recommendations between these two watches?

I have real problems counting and trying to swim with focal points.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Garmin-Swim-...9205361&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Swimovate-Po...9205361&sr=8-2

andyinnorway 01-26-2013 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johynr]]] (Post 34146)
Sorry if this has been done before, but does anybody have any recommendations between these two watches?

I have real problems counting and trying to swim with focal points.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Garmin-Swim-...9205361&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Swimovate-Po...9205361&sr=8-2

The swimovate is rubbish for TI, it needs at least 14SPL to count, Also, there is a program error so everytime you upload data in the pro version, the clock stands still so it loses 2 minutes of time.

Haven;t tried the garmin swimming watch but if its the same as the 911xt. then its close to wonderful, just pricey.

craig.arnold@gmail.com 01-26-2013 06:51 PM

I've been using the Garmin for a month now.

It seems pretty accurate and is very easy to use. I really like the data upload facility too.

All-in-all I have to say it has been very much worth the 95 it cost.

I make all the data on Garmin connect public so you can see the charts if you follow the link on my blog.

swim2Bfree 01-26-2013 09:16 PM

The FINIS Swimsense is more accurate and fully-featured than either of those watches. The build quality can be a bit sketchy, but FINIS is good about exchanges.

nicka 01-26-2013 10:41 PM

I use the swimovate every sessions and it works perfect for me.
I never realized there was a problem with laps under 14 spl but unlike Andy i do not have to worry about that :)
I only use it for the basics of counting laps and time and it has worked flawlessly for this counting every single lap.
I swim both 25 and 50 meter pools and i don't even change the settings and with sessions of 20 to 100 laps straight it has never missed a lap.
I like the feature where when you stop it it starts counting your rest and just hit the button once more for the next set.
I do not have the pro version just the standard version and i just retrieve the data out of it manually later easy enough and manualy enter this into Runkeeper.
Hope this helps
Nick

rcoxon 01-28-2013 06:15 PM

I have owned both
 
I owned a Swimovate Pro for over two years and had no issues with it in terms of counting strokes or laps, with the exception of few times doing extremely low (9) SPLs it would occasionally lose a length. I did not like the computer interface hardware (which died after 6 months) but did like the software for analysis. The the watch band broke two months ago (after two years of 3-5 swims a week, and being worn as my primary watch).

I have owned the Garmin Swim watch for two months now. The display is easier to read at the pool, and I like the "Rest Timer" mode for doing timed sets. It occasionally drops a lap (just like the Swimovate Pro did) but not at extremely low SPLs, seems more random, but still only a handful of lengths in the two months. The interface (Garmin's ANT USB dongle) seems to work OK, but I am not impressed with the Garmin Connect website for analyzing your swim (seems better targeted towards landsports, running and biking). It also had an issue this weekend where it recorded a workout as being for a prior day. Did this once on Saturday, but then was fine on Sunday.

If I were picking which to buy today, I would go with the Garmin.

I have no experience with the Finis.

YMMV.

JustinD 02-05-2013 04:26 AM

I have the Swimovate (not pro), Finis watch, and the Garmin.
I find the Garmin the best for me as it includes a drill mode that the others lack. Also the Garmin can be worn normally and its screen is easy to see.
I haven't used the Swimovate a long time ago but my memory was that it just didn't work that well.
The Finis is as accurate as the Garmin but: its screen is pretty difficult to read (impossible with goggles if over 45yr old); doesn't have a drill mode; needs physical docking to a PC to transfer and battery has to be charged all the time. Also, to get the full benefit from the Finis you need to download the data to Excel to manipulate it. I haven't tried that with the Garmin. So, my vote goes to the Garmin

johynr]]] 02-05-2013 02:29 PM

Thanks for everybodys input.

I bought a Garmin last week, and so far I am impressed with it, well except today when it reported backstroke when I was doing freestyle!

LBRoberts 04-26-2014 12:55 PM

I too am thinking of getting one of these watches. In the year since the last post, has anyone else got views on the latest models?

LBRoberts 04-26-2014 01:09 PM

P.S. I have been off these boards for sometime (have been doing a lot of biking and only sporadic swimming). Am now doing both so may be back on these boards from time to time again!

Hi to everyone I knew from a couple of years back!

CoachDavidShen 04-26-2014 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by johynr]]] (Post 34341)
Thanks for everybodys input.

I bought a Garmin last week, and so far I am impressed with it, well except today when it reported backstroke when I was doing freestyle!

I have tried all the watches and found the Garmin Swim to be the best. It does think my Fly is Breast though and I don't think the stroke count is useful. Lap counting is mostly fine although sometimes it does lose one. (I do think the FINIS Swimsense senses stroke type more correctly though, although the quality for that watch is lacking - have broken one or two already).

I unfortunately have not found a watch that really caters to TI use though. I always keep a waterproof pad and pen poolside to write things down, and train my brain to be counting while doing focal points....

LBRoberts 04-26-2014 05:19 PM

Thanks. Do you upload to Garmin Connect? Can you edit it where it gets the laps wrong?

baz_w 04-26-2014 05:57 PM

Basic Swimovate does it for me. Does what it says on the can. Had it over a year now - no issues.

CoachDavidShen 04-26-2014 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LBRoberts (Post 46137)
Thanks. Do you upload to Garmin Connect? Can you edit it where it gets the laps wrong?

I do upload to Garmin Connect but don't think you can edit anything..

WFEGb 04-26-2014 11:40 PM

Hello,

Mathias Krallmann sells a little program "Fit File Repair Tool" which enables you to repair and edit some values in Garmin's files. (Think its a shame that this is not given as gift from Garmin. Same in the latest Swimovate prog. It has been possible in the older versions but now without possible editing...)

Best regards,
Werner

PS: http://fitfilerepairtool.info/

danm 05-13-2014 11:24 AM

I have the garmin and I am quite happy with it. Battery lasts 2 years or so, you don't need to worry about charging it. Stroke count is accurate, I am not sure why some of the other commenters say it is not - you just have to multiply by 2 obviously, as it counts only the moves of the hand wearing the watch. If you lose 1 stroke, let that be your biggest issue in swimming and you'll be just fine! Laps counting is also quite accurate; I only get false counts if I stop in the middle of the lap, but then this is how it's supposed to work: when you stop, it counts one lap.

The interface with PC is seamless, after the initial setup you just make sure the watch is near the computer and swim data will upload automatically, you don't need to do anything.

The only thing lacking is garmin's analysis software which is very weak, particularly in displaying trends over a period of time. It certainly looks like garmin doesn't give a s*** about swimming. But you can download the data in excel and do whatever analysis you like if you are inclined to do so.
I have not used any of the other swim watches but I would recommend the garmin. If I were to add something to this watch I would add TT time/beeping capabilities somehow. I would love to have that kind of capability without having to wear just another device. Actually this is why I put off buying a TT - if another watch that is as good as garmin has tempo capability I will buy that and sell the garmin.


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