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aerogramma 03-11-2010 06:28 AM

TI in busy lanes
 
Hello everyone,
I've been practising TI for about 2 months now (with the dvd help, no TI classes here unfortunately!).
I can already see some huge changes in my swimming, every now and then I get a few strokes right and the gliding feeling is really great.

However the pool where I swim is quite busy so you happen to swim with up to 2 more swimmers in the same lane.

This leads to 2 issues to solve, for me at least:

- Achieving wide tracks action is harder as you often bump into the lanes plastic divider

- I now swim with my head deeper under water, more 'face down' than before thus I tend to have lesser clear idea of where I am in the lane with respect to the other swimmers.
I noticed that I practice TI teachings much better if alone in the lane

I was wondering if anyone else here has encountered similar issues and has advice to share

thanks and all the best!

val

CoachJohnB 03-11-2010 11:32 AM

First, if you are only having to share with 1 other person in a lane, that isn't busy. That is a blessing. 3 or more per lane is when it is busy.

If you do find yourself having to share, make the suggestion to take sides. That way you don't have to worry about where the other person is in relation to you. You will have half the lane to yourself and the other person will have half the lane.

If a 3rd person joins the lane, circle swim. If you keep the strip on the bottom of the pool in your vision and stay on the side of it you are suppose too, then you won't have a problem with approaching traffic. If you are worried about catching up to someone, you will feel their wake as you approach them.

If you are worried about being caught, the person closing in from behind will probably see before catching you. That person will either go around you at this point or wait to pass you at the wall.

If you get to the wall and realize a faster swimmer is closing in to the wall, let that swimmer go. You won't have to worry about you and that person trying to push off the wall at the same time.

Edd78 03-12-2010 10:36 AM

The reason why you don't swim as well when they are other people in your lane is because your stress level probably raises up one notch, I know I get the same when in a busy lane so I always start swimming with a heavy focus on relaxing in those instances (close on yourself try to forget the other swimmers around you).

As to busy lane, 2 people in your lane is not busy! I swim in 3 different swimming pools, 2 around where I live where you usually get 3 or 4 people in my lane, and the last one downtown Paris where I work, where I get up to ... 10 people in a lane! I usually swim there purely for fitness because it's impossible to keep a focus on being relaxed ^^.

aerogramma 03-15-2010 08:33 AM

Thanks for all the advice!

I was of the lanes' etiquette as I have been swimming in pools all my life :) and yes perhaps 2 people is not that busy!

I'm probably spolied now to be in a country where swimming poools are so common, not so long ago while in London it was almost impossible to swim as pools are few and overcrowded.

After today's practice I still noticed that I tend to bump into the lane dividers.
It's probably because before TI, I used to swim close to those dividers to give me some visual feedback on my speed and flow.

I'll try to be more in centre of the lane from now on, probably it's also a useful excercise to improve your balance while skating.

all the best from here

val

shuumai 03-16-2010 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerogramma (Post 9611)
I'm probably spoiled now to be in a country where swimming pools are so common, not so long ago while in London it was almost impossible to swim as pools are few and overcrowded.

Which country are you in now that has so many pools?

krzych 03-16-2010 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerogramma (Post 9548)
- I now swim with my head deeper under water, more 'face down' than before thus I tend to have lesser clear idea of where I am in the lane with respect to the other swimmers.

When you catch up with a slower swimmer you can feel his splashing.
In that case you can start doing a drill to slow down.
When someone yields you then it is his problem to overtake you.

What really annoys me in busy lanes are people who swim tragically, splash water around and not even stop for a moment to think about how they swim.

daveblt 03-16-2010 11:59 PM

What annoys me are,

Swimmers who don't realize ( or maybe they just don't want to for some strange reason) that you have to circle swim when there are 3 or more

If there is one other swimmer we split the lane but this person is swimming in such a way that takes up almost the whole lane by spreading themselves out with something like elementary backstroke or a real wide breaststroke and keeps bumping in to me .

We are circle swimming and a faster swimmer passes a slow one by cutting over in to the opposite lane and almost causing a head on collision with me

When I swim I always stay in my lane and if someone is waiting on deck and there are already two swimmers I will ask them if they want to circle

IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE COMMON SENSE AND COURTESY, THAT'S ALL !

Dave

aerogramma 03-17-2010 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuumai (Post 9622)
Which country are you in now that has so many pools?

Italy, Rome :)

CoachJohnB 03-17-2010 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krzych (Post 9639)
When you catch up with a slower swimmer you can feel his splashing.
In that case you can start doing a drill to slow down.
When someone yields you then it is his problem to overtake you.

What really annoys me in busy lanes are people who swim tragically, splash water around and not even stop for a moment to think about how they swim.

One doesn't have to slow down when overtaking a slower swimmer. This is a good time to practice a sighting stroke. Take a peek to see if someone is coming in the opposite direction. If no one is approaching, then swing out and pass the slower swimmer.

If someone is approaching, then one can practice drafting or swimming at a different tempo.

Why does it annoy you if people are swimming without thinking about how they swim? Everyone swims for different reasons. Not everyone cares about how the swim. Sometimes people just want to move up and down the pool withouth worrying about little details.

splashingpat 03-17-2010 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveblt (Post 9640)
What annoys me are,

Swimmers who don't realize ( or maybe they just don't want to for some strange reason) that you have to circle swim when there are 3 or more

If there is one other swimmer we split the lane but this person is swimming in such a way that takes up almost the whole lane by spreading themselves out with something like elementary backstroke or a real wide breaststroke and keeps bumping in to me .

We are circle swimming and a faster swimmer passes a slow one by cutting over in to the opposite lane and almost causing a head on collision with me

When I swim I always stay in my lane and if someone is waiting on deck and there are already two swimmers I will ask them if they want to circle

IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE COMMON SENSE AND COURTESY, THAT'S ALL !

Dave

Dave
You could ask 'em if they are interested in learning to drill
and could split the lanes and swim real slow (like ya do!)
You could do that!
splashin' dancin' and one day swimming the TI WAY LIKE DAVE!
and posting Pat

just jules 03-23-2010 07:01 PM

varying focal points
 
Hi - I'm still fairly new to TI (started in December 2009), but was interested in this thread because I've encountered some "tight spaces" in our local pool recently. The pool has an unusual shape in that its width narrows towards the deep end, so the lanes do too.

After unforeseen contact with both a foot and an arm of a "wide" breast stroker in the neighboring lane, and close calls with a "very wide arm" freestyler in the lane I was sharing, I tried stopping at each end of the pool to see where I was in relation to these other swimmers. I also did some peeking along the way and when I was approaching them (either from the opposite direction or to pass them in the same direction), I would concentrate more on "feeling" my streamlining while pausing longer between strokes.

The earlier suggestion in this thread to focus on staying relaxed has also helped me, since normally I tend to tense up when I feel crowded. I also try to pay attention to how changing my form (by peeking, etc.) affects my streamlining.

The fun thing for me is that with TI, I can now swim continuously for longer stretches of time, which means I tend to "outlast" other lappers and thus I almost always get a lane to myself for at least a few minutes towards the end of the busier sessions.

Hope you are finding some strategies that will work for you!

aerogramma 03-28-2010 01:29 PM

I have had exactly the same 'side-effects' as you described. I can swim twice as long now and eventually a free lane will be available. And when it is I try to make the most of it to practice more the slow drills, like superman glide and skate.

An advice I found very useful on this thread was to practice the movements as slow as you can when you find yourself behind someone, even if this sometime makes me actually go faster as the tecnique is more precise :)

gogglesnoseplugs 03-28-2010 01:43 PM

I have had this problem from time to time myself, and in fact I got "dove into" last week, that's right some guy dove into me when he wasn't paying attention to where I was in the lane. Leaving this incident out of the equation, I have had issues of choppiness affecting my ability to inhale properly, but not necessarily distance of other swimmers in proximity to me. My arm rotation is close to my body so I do not run into arms extending out to hit others passing by, and I am able to hug the lane rope pretty well. I guess what I am getting at is sharing my experiences, but also to encourage a tight line of the arm rotation.


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