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CoachKevin 03-06-2011 08:25 PM

Propulsion
 
How would you prioritize the propulsive elements of your freestyle?
And once you prioritize, what percentage of each do you think is optimal?
I'm just talking about the things that can move you forward.
So, place them in order of importance from 1 (most important) to 4 (least important) & give each one a percentage so all 4 add up to 100%.
If you know, you might also make 2 lists - one you'd like to achieve & one you are currently using...
Kick
Rotation/weight shift
Lengthen/spear
Pull

Lawrence 03-06-2011 08:58 PM

The only one I think about is lengthen/spear. The rest happen withhout me thinking about them. So I don't really have more than one item on my list.

Ken B 03-06-2011 09:29 PM

Purposeful rotation
 
I've just belatedly discovered purposeful rotation in freestyle and I can feel that it is the engine which provides the power for my propulsion. Everything else is just detail, important though it is. With my new eyes when I look at video of good swimmers whatever their style I see powerful full body rotation. Am I right?

Ken

CoachKevin 03-06-2011 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken B (Post 18022)
I've just belatedly discovered purposeful rotation in freestyle and I can feel that it is the engine which provides the power for my propulsion. Everything else is just detail, important though it is.

I don't get your point, Ken. If rotation provides the power, you need other "things" to deliver that power forward. Rotation on it's own is 100% useless. Without getting too nit-picky, everything you do in order to swim is a detail. Some contribute more than others, but they're all important. If one of your details contributes 10% to propulsion, why would you downplay it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken B (Post 18022)
With my new eyes when I look at video of good swimmers whatever their style I see powerful full body rotation. Am I right?

Yes. But they're all doing other things, too.

CoachSuzanne 03-06-2011 10:02 PM

Kevin I think Ken's answer is legitimate...for him at this moment, rotation is what powers him forward. Yes, there are other things delivering the power, but right now, if rotation is the thing that's helped Ken make a quantum leap forward then by all means he should continue to focus on it...and it'd be fine to set other things aside for a bit.

sinker 03-06-2011 10:02 PM

rotation/weight shift 40%
pull 40
lengthen/spear 19
kick 1
----
100%

Grant 03-06-2011 10:24 PM

rotation/weight shift 50%
pull 20
lengthen/spear 20
kick 10
----
100%

A guess and thanks for the puzzle. Also am suspicious that that this is my goal.
May we swim with ease at the speeds we choose.

CoachKevin 03-06-2011 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinker (Post 18025)
rotation/weight shift 40%
pull 40
lengthen/spear 19
kick 1
----
100%

Thanks, sinker, that's what I had in mind...

CoachKevin 03-06-2011 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachSuzanne (Post 18024)
Kevin I think Ken's answer is legitimate...for him at this moment, rotation is what powers him forward. Yes, there are other things delivering the power, but right now, if rotation is the thing that's helped Ken make a quantum leap forward then by all means he should continue to focus on it...and it'd be fine to set other things aside for a bit.

Maybe I misunderstood Ken.
I took his comment to mean that purposeful rotation is enough to propel & that the other "details" don't matter. That is wrong.
If he meant that because he just discovered purposeful rotation as his primary means of propulsion & he only wants to focus on that for now, that might make sense, but I'm not even sure about that. I'd have to know more about the swimmer & their stage of development.
Ken?

CoachSuzanne 03-07-2011 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachKevin (Post 18029)
Maybe I misunderstood Ken.
I took his comment to mean that purposeful rotation is enough to propel & that the other "details" don't matter. That is wrong.
If he meant that because he just discovered purposeful rotation as his primary means of propulsion & he only wants to focus on that for now, that might make sense, but I'm not even sure about that. I'd have to know more about the swimmer & their stage of development.
Ken?

I'd find it hard to believe that anyone would think that only rotating will get you anywhere...but I could be wrong on that. ;)


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